Where was Salvador Ibáñez?

From 1898 he was at the Bajada San Francisco, 23 which was quite near the Townhall.

The Bajada San Francisco is gone today. It was a street, very popular to go shopping in those days . The street was widened and all houses has been demolished to give way to todays plaza del Ayuntamiento.

Ibanez’s last address Padre Rico, 6/8 is still there and is west of the old town near Iglesia y Colegio “Jesús y Maria”

With a vast front facade  and a huge depth of the premises, measuring ±30x30m giving it its big production floor.

This address is the last known address of both brothers Vicente and Salvador Ibáñez Salabert

Tekstvak:    JULVE
 ROSETTE
Tekstvak: http://guitarra.artepulsado.com/foros/showthread.php?4578-Salvador-Ibañez/page3&highlight=telesforo+julve

Julve and Ibáñez companies informed their clients on their deal in this twinletter (A3 folded to A4) :              

Text and free translation of the twinletter (A3 size folded to A4)

from Salvador Ibáñez é Hijos and Telesforo Julve,  dated 31 december 1933.

 

Salvador Ibáñez e Hijos side:

Dear Sir                                                                             Valencia 31 december 1933
             Dear Sir: We inform you that under the contract concluded with the guitar maker D. Telesforo Julve Jordan of this town, on this date, we have sold our Guitar Factory to that gentleman, who keeps our stock of manufactured instruments, as well as the big stock of special woods for the production.
             At the same time Mr. Julve has taken over work force,incl. all our old and competent workers, who will be able to continue serving our items in the same quality as we have done for till now.
             Included in the same afore-mentioned contract, Mr. Julve is allowed to put our proven brand in instruments manufactured by him, if requested by customers or at   Mr. Julves’ own choice.

             For these reasons we highly recommend to you to  Mr. Julve of whom we have great confident in your  future orders
and be assured  that you will be satisfied and that you have no notice at all in the difference of quality of the  instruments, which will surely be equal to those who have served you so far.
            
The liquidation of the assets and liabilities of the company is for our account.
            
With thanks for your trust  for so many years of which we still feel very honoured.

Health wish from us.  (S.S.q.e.s.m.)                                                                                                          

                                                                            (signature –hard to read)V.Ibáñez e hijos

 

Telesforo Julve side:

Dear Sir,                                                               Valencia 31 december 1933

Dear Sir: Via the letter attached of Mr. Salvador Ibanez and Sons of this town, you are hereby informed that from this date on, and under contract made up with afore-mentioned gentlemen, I have transferred the old guitar factory of which they were the owners.
             According to the afore-mentioned letter, it is clear that I have now some special conditions of superiority over my competitors, because I have strengthened my workshops with all the factory workers who formed the factory of mrs. Ibanez.
             For these reasons, I take this opportunity to offer you my service, with the assurance that I will put all my usual attention to you, and will deliver at your complete satisfaction all your honoured orders trusted to me.

             With thanks in advance I take this opportunity to offer my services to you.

By Ton Bogaard

  TELESFORO JULVE          

Salvador Ibáñez

             During the 20’s, the company had 2 addresses: Bajada San Francisco, 23 (a most lively street in Valencia) plus their new premises providing an additional production area of 900m² at Padre Rico,6. It is said that production volume totalled 36.000/y,  with hundreds of workers.13

About 1910 28 the Salvador Ibáñez cy. changes its name into Salvador Ibáñez é Hijos, because Salvador’s two sons (Vicente + Salvador) join in their father’s company.

             Note that their new label does not state an address. At that time it was known for some years that the Bajada San Francisco had to disappear and be demolished to make way for new buildings and a bigger square in front of the new TownHall. In 1929 demolishing started and brothers Ibáñez left the Bajada to concentrate their production at Padre Rico only. The exports at that time were mainly to the Hispano Americas, Philipines and Japan.

             In 1929 the Great Depression strikes the world economy. Though Spain was one of the countries less influenced, the Hispano Americas were.

Specific export products of Spain were hit and it is believed that

brothers Ibáñez suffered from this and workers had to leave.

 

             Seven luthiers started working for Julve from mid 1931 (and at the same time Julve received orders from Ibáñez). Among the luthiers were Federico Pau, Ernesto Lisart and Salvador Blanch. They were among the best guitarreros in Valencia at that time, constructing the high-end instruments for

Julve in the years to follow.

 

             End of 1933 Telesforo Julve Jordán acquires ownership of

Salvador Ibáñez é Hijos. From the Ibáñez family it is known that

the brothers went on with repair and sales of musical instruments

only. The brothers died of a natural cause: Vicente in 1950 and

Salvador in 1967. Stories of shop in flames and dying in heavy

street fights must be fantasies (see below).

 

             Julve acquired the right to use the Salvador Ibáñez é Hijos

 label inside Julve built guitars! In 1944 Julve still uses Ibáñez labels.

Therefore guitars labeled Salvador Ibáñez é Hijos are difficult to date.

An example here shows a guitar where Julve used his own rosette (instead

 of the slightly different Ibáñez’), and applied the Salvador Ibáñez é Hijos label.              

Salvador Ibáñez y Albiñana (*1853-1917)

 

Salvador started guitar making in 1865 at the calle Muela, 23 in Valencia.1

Blasco, Salvador Gaspar García and others were apprentices or worked for Salvador Ibáñez.1

Ibáñez guitars ranged from modest till maximum possible decorations in mother of pearl, woods or alpaca.     Neat harmonic struts/stiffeners are noted. Rosettes were of fine design. 

Tekstvak: Ornamented		Ordinary type		Striking soundboard     Bandurria+alpaca rosette
						  pattern

1865     Muela, 23 1

1870     Cubells, 11 1

1880    Jordana,  32 29

1888     Ruzafa, 8  37

1896    Bajada de San Francisco, 23  (27)  1

1910    Bajada de San Francisco, 23 + Hospital, 16 21

1915 Bajada de San Francisco, 23 + Padre Rico,  

            1916 > telephone number: 1022

1927    Padre Rico, 6 (last known address till 1933)   22

From: this 1920-ad. it shows that Ibáñez was supplying a lot more than guitars only:

 

wound strings, bandurrias, lauds, violins, gut and steel strings, accordions, tambourins, castanets, ocarinas, etc.  Tuning machines for guitars and bandurrias.

Catalogue var.1903

Ibáñez labels are made circular and rectengular and printed in one colour.

Download  the full collection of Ibáñez labels 1870 - 1950 here.

When you have a label which is not in the list…...It is a good idea to share it with me and all other Ibáñez owners. >> Thanks

All photos marked “JLV” are with kind courtesy of José Lázaro Villena.

Derived from his thesis: “La guitarra clasica de la Comunidad Valencia Siglo XX”.

IBANEZ JAPAN

The japanese clients of Salvador Ibáñez were:

   1. J.K.Suganuma &Sons in Kobe

   2. Kataniya Trading Cy in Tokio

   3. Nippon Gakki Seizo in Hamamatsu (=Yamaha)

 

From 1933 and on, these importers ordered their Salvador Ibáñez guitars from Telesforo Julve.

Julve expanded the Japanese contacts further with:

   4. T. Sato & Co in Kobe

The number of guitars delivered by Salvador Ibáñez is not known.

The number delivered by Telesforo Julve (1933>1937)is some 1000.

 

So:

Hoshino Gakki never imported Ibáñez guitars and was not a client of Salvador Ibáñez nor of Telesforo Julve.

Most likely Hoshino Gakki did never buy the brandname: the name was: “Salvador Ibáñez é Hijos” and Hoshino labelled with “Ibanez Salvador” which is different and would be free of charge.

Clients register of Salvador Ibáñez

~ 1915 contains 1200 names of which 3 from Japan.

Thought:

        Hoshino Gakki honoured the names of two forerunners of stringed instruments from Europe: Rafael Calace and Salvador Ibáñez. They both appear on the Hoshino guitar labels.